I wonder if the idea behind “a gente” came from a native Brazilian language?
I learned from a Colombian that when addressing people they’re close to, with whom they usually use the familiar “tú”, about a very serious matter, they use the formal “usted” instead. I don’t know where it comes from but seems particular to Colombia.
Reminds me of parents calling their children by their full name sometimes when delivering a serious warning or administering a dressing-down. So instead of "Say, Ellie!", they would say: "Now listen to me, Eleanor Yolanda Dougherty!!!"
I love how people who learn languages end up learning all these rules that even natives don't know!
Also, I've been meaning to pick up my Hebrew again, I did it from around 4 years old all the way through junior school. Do you have any suggestions for resources? Would love to attend an Ulpan but not really possible.
I think there are Ulpan-like classes online, but I don't know how it works and how much they charge. If you learned it school then you probably have the basics so just need to be exposed to the language and have speaking practice... I learned Hebrew a really long time ago in the pre-internet era (oh my good I feel old now) so I'm not really up to date on the resources today, but I keep seeing ads for Citizen Cafe Tel Aviv (a Tel Aviv based online classes) and I just checked their website really quickly and they look alright. Alternatively, if it was me I'd probably just start watching Peppa Pig in Hebrew.
Thank you, Tanya! Did it properly at school (reading, writing, speaking) and could properly hold a conversation then - so I do believe it will come back quite quickly. I'll check out Citizen Cafe Tel Aviv first, and if it does not work out you know what I will be watching 😂
I had to laugh at the story of the old lady, she must be so proud she knows something others don’t despite learning Hebrew so late in life. I feel like I have now no I excuse to really learn Persian well 😂
Very cool! Thank you! Impressive grandmother. Her accent (or a good substitute for it) came across really well in your transcription :)
Maybe "ulpan" is the operative word here: the people who learned Hebrew in an ulpan - or the people who now utter things in another kind of ulpan (which also means 'studio'): I believe some (all? most? many?) newscasters in, say, "Reshet Bet" (one of the radio networks of the Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation) say "Esrim u shtayim" as well - when they speak using their public broadcasting register. FWIW :).
Thanks for raising the points about change and register; it's a good antidote to the widespread belief that there is a "correct" (and maybe unchanging?) way to speak a language and if people don't follow _the_rules_, it means that "the language is going to the dogs".
Having learnt (learned?) that the grandmother is a stickler for what she perceives as correctness, I now wonder: did she say "ashev" or "eshev"?
She definitely said "eshev", I this was just a typo :)
Oh and most Israelis nowadays say "yishev" anyway, using the 3d person singular (same as 'he will sit') form for 1st person. I don't think that grandmother was aware of that but if she were, she wouldn't approve :)
I wonder if the idea behind “a gente” came from a native Brazilian language?
I learned from a Colombian that when addressing people they’re close to, with whom they usually use the familiar “tú”, about a very serious matter, they use the formal “usted” instead. I don’t know where it comes from but seems particular to Colombia.
Reminds me of parents calling their children by their full name sometimes when delivering a serious warning or administering a dressing-down. So instead of "Say, Ellie!", they would say: "Now listen to me, Eleanor Yolanda Dougherty!!!"
Ohhhh interesting 🤔🤔
I wouldn't be surprised if it came from an indigenous Brazilian language, it seems like quite a few things in Brazilian Portuguese are.
So interesting re "tú" vs "usted"!
I love how people who learn languages end up learning all these rules that even natives don't know!
Also, I've been meaning to pick up my Hebrew again, I did it from around 4 years old all the way through junior school. Do you have any suggestions for resources? Would love to attend an Ulpan but not really possible.
I think there are Ulpan-like classes online, but I don't know how it works and how much they charge. If you learned it school then you probably have the basics so just need to be exposed to the language and have speaking practice... I learned Hebrew a really long time ago in the pre-internet era (oh my good I feel old now) so I'm not really up to date on the resources today, but I keep seeing ads for Citizen Cafe Tel Aviv (a Tel Aviv based online classes) and I just checked their website really quickly and they look alright. Alternatively, if it was me I'd probably just start watching Peppa Pig in Hebrew.
Thank you, Tanya! Did it properly at school (reading, writing, speaking) and could properly hold a conversation then - so I do believe it will come back quite quickly. I'll check out Citizen Cafe Tel Aviv first, and if it does not work out you know what I will be watching 😂
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I had to laugh at the story of the old lady, she must be so proud she knows something others don’t despite learning Hebrew so late in life. I feel like I have now no I excuse to really learn Persian well 😂
She was quite a character!
Very cool! Thank you! Impressive grandmother. Her accent (or a good substitute for it) came across really well in your transcription :)
Maybe "ulpan" is the operative word here: the people who learned Hebrew in an ulpan - or the people who now utter things in another kind of ulpan (which also means 'studio'): I believe some (all? most? many?) newscasters in, say, "Reshet Bet" (one of the radio networks of the Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation) say "Esrim u shtayim" as well - when they speak using their public broadcasting register. FWIW :).
Thanks for raising the points about change and register; it's a good antidote to the widespread belief that there is a "correct" (and maybe unchanging?) way to speak a language and if people don't follow _the_rules_, it means that "the language is going to the dogs".
Having learnt (learned?) that the grandmother is a stickler for what she perceives as correctness, I now wonder: did she say "ashev" or "eshev"?
She definitely said "eshev", I this was just a typo :)
Oh and most Israelis nowadays say "yishev" anyway, using the 3d person singular (same as 'he will sit') form for 1st person. I don't think that grandmother was aware of that but if she were, she wouldn't approve :)
Yeah, I noticed that, and no she wouldn't :)
I believe the current term is “bruh,” but I don’t think I’m allowed to use it since I’m not GenZ!
I think you're right! I have outdated information because I'm so far removed from the American Gen Z (both geographically and demographically :))